First oil

Well I'm working on this paint but it is hard to me. I have a lot of doubts. At first I started to paint all details of the middle container. But look like it never ends. So I decided to paint faster and see the details in the end. Dont know if it was a good idea. Any tips?

dencalRonnaL.DuranFlattySummerElizad3singhRonLo83nada

Comments

  • Fred

    Lookin good. Keep goin.

    Get some of the background in to help with value discrimination.
    Try working on a toned canvas it helps.

    Denis

    FredSantosSummerEliza
  • @dencal, what can I use to make the canvas toned?
  • EzraEzra -
    edited February 2016
    you can't tone that canvas now, but you can give it some background color. as far as details go. One big BIG think i've learned from the Carder school is that details are not as important as tone and value and color matching when doing realism. At least not this kind of realism. It's not really the intuitive answer. Mark has a couple of demos where he paints a complete piece and this becomes very obvious although he doesn't say it quite that way.
    FredSantosFlattySummerEliza
  • Another question. There are too many steps on my palatte?


    nada
  • Fred

    Whatever suits your style. There is no right or best number of values.
    I tend to paint slowly and have long breaks (days sometimes) between sessions. This means I have about ten values in a group, usually working on one object or part of the painting. More values than this starts to get thick and form skins too soon.

    check Mark's free videos and tutorials on toning canvas and palette using the blue button at the top of this page.


    Denis
    FredSantosL.DuranEliza
  • edited February 2016
    The method for each painters are different. You'll find yours . Dont worry . Don´t run . Paint calmly. Seeks the end result . It's looking good . Fred Santos ? Were are you from ?
    FredSantos
  • I think your painting looks quite good to me.  Especially the green bottle.  I know how tempting it is to start painting fast when you feel like the painting will take forever.  With this being your first oil remember you're learning and you need to go slow.  For your next painting you might pick just one of these items, maybe the green bottle, so you can concentrate on just that one item and learn to slow down.
    L.DuranFlattyFredSantos
  • L.Duran said:
    The method for each painters are different. You'll find yours . Dont worry . Don´t run . Paint calmly. Seeks the end result . It's looking good . Fred Santos ? Were are you from ?
    I'm from Brazil.
    L.Duran
  • dencal said:
    Fred

    Whatever suits your style. There is no right or best number of values.
    I tend to paint slowly and have long breaks (days sometimes) between sessions. This means I have about ten values in a group, usually working on one object or part of the painting. More values than this starts to get thick and form skins too soon.

    check Mark's free videos and tutorials on toning canvas and palette using the blue button at the top of this page.


    Denis
    @dencal, I just finished to watch the Mark's video "how to stain a canvas". He suggest a quick drying white. Here I cant find it. Can I use
    drying cobalt?
  • Fred

    Use a plain titanium white and just let it dry a bit longer in a warm place.

    Alternatley, you can tone the canvas with acrylic paint if you are in a hurry.

    Denis


  • I think that you are off to a very good start.  From what I can see, you certainly have what it takes to make this a success.  Stained canvas as well as palettes are important.  Working from dark to light and always putting in a little background color around the area you are working on should get you going again.  Really impressed. 
    FredSantos
  • Looks great!!!

    Not sure if you can use cobalt drier, it depends on many factors.  The main thing is the lower coats of paint need to be of lower oil percentage compared to upper layers.
    FredSantos
  • edited February 2016
    E AI BROW ... ESTAMOS NAVEGANDO POR ÁGUAS INTERNACIONAIS ... RSRSRS ... MORO EM MIGUEL PEREIRA - REGIÃO SERRANA DO RJ ...  BELA TUA PINTURA ... VÁ COM CALMA ...  PARA O PRIMEIRO ÓLEO TÁ ÓTIMO ... CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES ... TÁ MUITO BOM ... INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER ... MAS COM O NOSSO JEITINHO ADAPTAMOS TUDO ... QUE , PELO MENOS,  NOS INSPIRE ... A GENTE FAZ O SEGUINTE : VEMOS A TÉCNICA QUE MAIS NOS AGRADA E ADAPTA-MO-LA A  NOSSA VONTADE ... TODOS OS PINTORES TÊM SUA TÉCNICA PRÓPRIA ... ADAPTAÇÃO DE OUTRAS . AFINAL ... É UMA QUESTÃO DE TELA PINCEL E TINTA ... MUITO BÁSICO ... VAMOS RALAR ... DAÍ VEM A BOA PINTURA ... IMAGINA PICASSO OU CEZANE ALUNOS DE CARDER ... REFLETI SOBRE ISSO E NÃO CONTIVE AS GARGALHADAS ... ELE IA ENLOUQUECER ... CADA UM NA SUA PRAIA ...  CONFESSO QUE MESTRE CARDER ME INSPIRA E MUITO ...  E MEU RESPEITO A SUA PINTURA É MUITO SÓLIDO ... É, COMO JÁ DISSE , UM MESTRE ... COMO DISSE RONNA DÊ UM TEMPO AO ESTUDO ... EXPERIMENTE PINTAR UMA PEÇA APENAS ... ESTUDANDO ALUZ E DESENVOLVENDO A CAPACIDADE DE OBSERVAÇÃO ... O TEU INÍCIO TÁ MUITO MELHOR QUE O MEU ... SEJA MUITO BEM VINDO ... ABRAÇO GRANDE ..  E CONTINUE POSTANDO ...
  • edited February 2016
    Sobre secantes : eu uso uma mistura de secante de cobalto ( que age de fora para dentro ) e secante de Coutrai que funciona de modo inverso ... temos da Corfix em qualquer loja ... misturo uma parte de cobalto + uma parte de Coutrai  + oito de querosene ...  uma seringa é ótima ... seca bem ... o suficiente para pintar confortavelmente ... o de cobalto puro quase sempre seca no pincel ... é muito forte ..muitas vezes,  me levou à loucura ... a dica de Carder sobre dar uma passada com um pano embebido levemente em óleo de linhaça dá um frescor na tela tornando a pintura sobre um quadro seco mais cômoda   ...  tenho quadros de 35 anos perfeitos usando essa mistura  e acho que vou morrer ante que se deteriorem  ..Finalizo com verniz de goma de Damar após 1 mês de pintado ... o verniz faz com que os tons escuros se definam e devolvem o frescor que o querosene possa tirar das tintas ... Sem verniz todo o escuro fica uma pasta quase igual ... as vezes eu aplico verniz entre uma sessão e outra para me guiar nas sombras ... Usei muito o ventilador ... O ar soprado ajuda muito na secagem da tela ... Não use o sol !!! Bom para secar e péssimo para a pintura !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Deteriora as tintas ( muda as características químicas aumentando sua oxidação ) principalmente Verde Vessie e Azul da Prússia , cores que naturalmente tendem ao escurecimento com o tempo ... repare o quadro "Caipiras Negaceando" do espetacular Almeida Júnior ( que juntamente com Baptista da Costa e Antônio Parreiras eram considerados  "os grandes mestres dos verdes") ... os verdes foram compostos com azul da prússia de base ( na época - circa 1888 - não tínhamos os estudos químicos de hoje)  , os quais estão quase negros ... ví-o no Museu Nacional de Belas Artes ( há um estudo no Museu Paulista também  ) na Av. Rio Branco no RJ ...  Usando isso não noto diferença no resultado final ou na longevidade do quadro ...  abç   
  • edited February 2016
    Hi BRAZILIAN BROW ... WE ARE SAILING IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS ... RSRSRS ... I LIVE IN MIGUEL PEREIRA - A COUNTRY REGION OF RJ ... YOUR PAINTING IS BEAUTIFUL ... GO STEADY ... FOR THE FIRST OIL IT'S GREAT .. . OF COURSE YOU PAINTED BEFORE ... YOU'RE GOING VERY GOOD ... UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CARDER METHOD ...  ALL THAT AT LEAST IN INSPIRE ... SEE THE TECHNIQUE THAT MORE LIKE AND ADAPT TO OUR WORK MODE ... ALL ARTISTS HAVE YOUR OWN TECHNICAL ... IT´S AN ADAPTATION. AFTER ALL ... IT'S A MATTER OF CANVAS, BRUSH AND INK ... VERY BASIC ... LET'S JOB AND STUDY ... THEN A GOOD PAINT COMES ... IMAGINE IF PICASSO AND CEZANE WERE STUDENTS OF CARDER ... MAYBE HE WOULD GO MAD ... EACH ONE IN OWN BEACH ... I CONFESS : MASTER CARDER INSPIRES ME VERY MUCH ... AND MY RESPECT ABOUT HIS PAINT IS VERY SOLID ... YEAH, AS I SAID, HE´S A GREAT MASTER. .. AS RONNA TOLD GIVE A TIME TO STUDY ... TRY TO PAINT ONE PIECE ONLY ... STUDYING AND DEVELOPING THE ABILITY OF NOTE ... YOUR PAINT IS GOING MUCH BETTER THAN MINE ... WELCOME .. . BIG HUG .. 
  • First of many, I hope. Very nice
    FredSantos
  • I'm lost in the background. I painted some colors wrong and now I need put the right color. How can I correct that if the tone is darker than the correct one. Please Help.
  • L.Duran said:
    Hi BRAZILIAN BROW ... WE ARE SAILING IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS ... RSRSRS ... I LIVE IN MIGUEL PEREIRA - A COUNTRY REGION OF RJ ... YOUR PAINTING IS BEAUTIFUL ... GO STEADY ... FOR THE FIRST OIL IT'S GREAT .. . OF COURSE YOU PAINTED BEFORE ... YOU'RE GOING VERY GOOD ... UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CARDER METHOD ...  ALL THAT AT LEAST IN INSPIRE ... SEE THE TECHNIQUE THAT MORE LIKE AND ADAPT TO OUR WORK MODE ... ALL ARTISTS HAVE YOUR OWN TECHNICAL ... IT´S AN ADAPTATION. AFTER ALL ... IT'S A MATTER OF CANVAS, BRUSH AND INK ... VERY BASIC ... LET'S JOB AND STUDY ... THEN A GOOD PAINT COMES ... IMAGINE IF PICASSO AND CEZANE WERE STUDENTS OF CARDER ... MAYBE HE WOULD GO MAD ... EACH ONE IN OWN BEACH ... I CONFESS : MASTER CARDER INSPIRES ME VERY MUCH ... AND MY RESPECT ABOUT HIS PAINT IS VERY SOLID ... YEAH, AS I SAID, HE´S A GREAT MASTER. .. AS RONNA TOLD GIVE A TIME TO STUDY ... TRY TO PAINT ONE PIECE ONLY ... STUDYING AND DEVELOPING THE ABILITY OF NOTE ... YOUR PAINT IS GOING MUCH BETTER THAN MINE ... WELCOME .. . BIG HUG .. 
    HHi Duran.
    L.Duran
  • edited February 2016
    L.Duran said:
    E AI BROW ... ESTAMOS NAVEGANDO POR ÁGUAS INTERNACIONAIS ... RSRSRS ... MORO EM MIGUEL PEREIRA - REGIÃO SERRANA DO RJ ...  BELA TUA PINTURA ... VÁ COM CALMA ...  PARA O PRIMEIRO ÓLEO TÁ ÓTIMO ... CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES ... TÁ MUITO BOM ... INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER ... MAS COM O NOSSO JEITINHO ADAPTAMOS TUDO ... QUE , PELO MENOS,  NOS INSPIRE ... A GENTE FAZ O SEGUINTE : VEMOS A TÉCNICA QUE MAIS NOS AGRADA E ADAPTA-MO-LA A  NOSSA VONTADE ... TODOS OS PINTORES TÊM SUA TÉCNICA PRÓPRIA ... ADAPTAÇÃO DE OUTRAS . AFINAL ... É UMA QUESTÃO DE TELA PINCEL E TINTA ... MUITO BÁSICO ... VAMOS RALAR ... DAÍ VEM A BOA PINTURA ... IMAGINA PICASSO OU CEZANE ALUNOS DE CARDER ... REFLETI SOBRE ISSO E NÃO CONTIVE AS GARGALHADAS ... ELE IA ENLOUQUECER ... CADA UM NA SUA PRAIA ...  CONFESSO QUE MESTRE CARDER ME INSPIRA E MUITO ...  E MEU RESPEITO A SUA PINTURA É MUITO SÓLIDO ... É, COMO JÁ DISSE , UM MESTRE ... COMO DISSE RONNA DÊ UM TEMPO AO ESTUDO ... EXPERIMENTE PINTAR UMA PEÇA APENAS ... ESTUDANDO ALUZ E DESENVOLVENDO A CAPACIDADE DE OBSERVAÇÃO ... O TEU INÍCIO TÁ MUITO MELHOR QUE O MEU ... SEJA MUITO BEM VINDO ... ABRAÇO GRANDE ..  E CONTINUE POSTANDO ...
    @L.Duran about you said "CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES" ( transation: of course you already painted) Sorry this is really my first oil. I used to draw a lot, and I tried paint in acrylic but it didnt work. I'll take your skepticism as a compliment. Thank you.
    About you said that "INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER" (translation: we dont have access to Carder method "we" I understand we brazilians) I think you couldn't be more mistaken. The method is all there on youtube. I know that I do not achieve completely the technique but I can fell the fight inside my brain. And it happened before. About twenty year ago I read a book named "drawing with the right side of the brain", the writer Mrs. Betty Edwards and Mr. Carder, they say the exactly same thing. She talks about lines, angles forms and he talks about colors, tones, light. It's all in front of our eyes.
    You know, I'm fool. Because I knew that there are no such thing like gifted person. Its all about technic. And was necessary twenty years after I  learn to draw to start to learn to paint. I'm ashamed. Even knowing that there a lot to be done I'm thankfull to Mr. Carder.


    L.Duran
  • billj said:
    First of many, I hope. Very nice
    I hope too.
  • @dencal, how to correct a dark area?
  • Fred

    Easy! Dry area; oil out and repaint as if starting out. Wet area; use a silicone scraper to remove and repaint. 

    Denis

    FredSantos
  • dencal said:
    Fred

    Easy! Dry area; oil out and repaint as if starting out. Wet area; use a silicone scraper to remove and repaint. 

    Denis

    Thak you!
  • edited February 2016
    L.Duran said:
    E AI BROW ... ESTAMOS NAVEGANDO POR ÁGUAS INTERNACIONAIS ... RSRSRS ... MORO EM MIGUEL PEREIRA - REGIÃO SERRANA DO RJ ...  BELA TUA PINTURA ... VÁ COM CALMA ...  PARA O PRIMEIRO ÓLEO TÁ ÓTIMO ... CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES ... TÁ MUITO BOM ... INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER ... MAS COM O NOSSO JEITINHO ADAPTAMOS TUDO ... QUE , PELO MENOS,  NOS INSPIRE ... A GENTE FAZ O SEGUINTE : VEMOS A TÉCNICA QUE MAIS NOS AGRADA E ADAPTA-MO-LA A  NOSSA VONTADE ... TODOS OS PINTORES TÊM SUA TÉCNICA PRÓPRIA ... ADAPTAÇÃO DE OUTRAS . AFINAL ... É UMA QUESTÃO DE TELA PINCEL E TINTA ... MUITO BÁSICO ... VAMOS RALAR ... DAÍ VEM A BOA PINTURA ... IMAGINA PICASSO OU CEZANE ALUNOS DE CARDER ... REFLETI SOBRE ISSO E NÃO CONTIVE AS GARGALHADAS ... ELE IA ENLOUQUECER ... CADA UM NA SUA PRAIA ...  CONFESSO QUE MESTRE CARDER ME INSPIRA E MUITO ...  E MEU RESPEITO A SUA PINTURA É MUITO SÓLIDO ... É, COMO JÁ DISSE , UM MESTRE ... COMO DISSE RONNA DÊ UM TEMPO AO ESTUDO ... EXPERIMENTE PINTAR UMA PEÇA APENAS ... ESTUDANDO ALUZ E DESENVOLVENDO A CAPACIDADE DE OBSERVAÇÃO ... O TEU INÍCIO TÁ MUITO MELHOR QUE O MEU ... SEJA MUITO BEM VINDO ... ABRAÇO GRANDE ..  E CONTINUE POSTANDO ...
    @L.Duran about you said "CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES" ( transation: of course you already painted) Sorry this is really my first oil. I used to draw a lot, and I tried paint in acrylic but it didnt work. I'll take your skepticism as a compliment. Thank you.
    About you said that "INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER" (translation: we dont have access to Carder method "we" I understand we brazilians) I think you couldn't be more mistaken. The method is all there on youtube. I know that I do not achieve completely the technique but I can fell the fight inside my brain. And it happened before. About twenty year ago I read a book named "drawing with the right side of the brain", the writer Mrs. Betty Edwards and Mr. Carder, they say the exactly same thing. She talks about lines, angles forms and he talks about colors, tones, light. It's all in front of our eyes.
    You know, I'm fool. Because I knew that there are no such thing like gifted person. Its all about technic. And was necessary twenty years after I  learn to draw to start to learn to paint. I'm ashamed. Even knowing that there a lot to be done I'm thankfull to Mr. Carder.


    FAZ O SEGUINTE : VEMOS A TÉCNICA QUE MAIS NOS AGRADA E ADAPTA-MO-LA A  NOSSA VONTADE ... TODOS OS PINTORES TÊM SUA TÉCNICA PRÓPRIA ... ADAPTAÇÃO DE OUTRAS . AFINAL ... É UMA QUESTÃO DE TELA PINCEL E TINTA ... MUITO BÁSICO ... VAMOS RALAR ... DAÍ VEM A BOA PINTURA ... IMAGINA PICASSO OU CEZANE ALUNOS DE CARDER ... REFLETI SOBRE ISSO E NÃO CONTIVE AS GARGALHADAS ... ELE IA ENLOUQUECER ... CADA UM NA SUA PRAIA ...  CONFESSO QUE MESTRE CARDER ME INSPIRA E MUITO ...  E MEU RESPEITO A SUA PINTURA É MUITO SÓLIDO ... É, COMO JÁ DISSE , UM MESTRE ... COMO DISSE RONNA DÊ UM TEMPO AO ESTUDO ... EXPERIMENTE PINTAR UMA PEÇA APENAS ... ESTUDANDO ALUZ E DESENVOLVENDO A CAPACIDADE DE OBSERVAÇÃO ... O TEU INÍCIO TÁ MUITO MELHOR QUE O MEU ... SEJA MUITO BEM VINDO ... ABRAÇO GRANDE ..  E CONTINUE POSTANDO ...
    @L.Duran about you said "CLARO QUE JÁ PINTAVA ANTES" ( transation: of course you already painted) Sorry this is really my first oil. I used to draw a lot, and I tried paint in acrylic but it didnt work. I'll take your skepticism as a compliment. Thank you.
    About you said that "INFELIZMENTE NÃO TEMOS ACESSO AO MÉTODO DE CARDER" (translation: we dont have access to Carder method "we" I understand we brazilians) I think you couldn't be more mistaken. The method is all there on youtube. I know that I do not achieve completely the technique but I can fell the fight inside my brain. And it happened before. About twenty year ago I read a book named "drawing with the right side of the brain", the writer Mrs. Betty Edwards and Mr. Carder, they say the exactly same thing. She talks about lines, angles forms and he talks about colors, tones, light. It's all in front of our eyes.
    You know, I'm fool. Because I knew that there are no such thing like gifted person. Its all about technic. And was necessary twenty years after I  learn to draw to start to learn to paint. I'm ashamed. Even knowing that there a lot to be done I'm thankfull to Mr. Carder.


    You have the best thing to paint ... The draw !!!!!!!  It's just a matter of adaptation ... About the  Carder´s method , I am from a time when the presence of the teacher was fundamental ... so say it is difficult to learn without contact with your master ... I think that the internet is not enough ... There are things that can only be taught personally ...But his technique ( method ) inspires us for sure !!! About Draw with the right side of the brain , i think is best way  and  You´re not a fool !!!!!! I think you have 80% of the painting ... The draw !!! it brings  the careful observation of values and I saw it in your job ... I keep thinking : your painting , even you´re beginner in oil is great !!!  congratulations ... Um abraço !!!
    FredSantos
  • edited February 2016

    I'm lost in the background. I painted some colors wrong and now I need put the right color. How can I correct that if the tone is darker than the correct one. Please Help.
    Keep calm .. We can fix numerous times on oil painting  . Paint what you see ... I think your model is very good ... Don´t run ... oil technique is different ...
  • 25cmx35cm

    @dencal I bought the silicone scraper and it helps a lot. The background is the worst part. It is killing me. It's frustrating.



    L.Duran
  • Keep calm ... It´s going very well ... Dont' run . Observe your model . a hug
    FredSantos
  • I also think that you are doing extremely well.  At this stage, I like to plan each stroke by thinking twice and applying the paint once.  Like your studio!  :)
  • @Summer is not a studio, it is between the TV room and the kitchen. The kids (16 & 14) are loving. I'm a single father. I know if I still had a wife she would never permit. But now I'm free!!! ;) I appreciate your opinion.
    Summer
  • @Summer is not a studio, it is between the TV room and the kitchen. The kids (16 & 14) are loving. I'm a single father. I know if I still had a wife she would never permit. But now I'm free!!! ;) I appreciate your opinion.
    A single man is our dream !!! Esposas não permitem , jamais a felicidade dos maridos ... quando estamos felizes trata-se de um aplano maquiavélico ...  rsrsrs .... ( The wives  have a maquiavelic plain to fk all husbands every time ...They hate when we are happy ... )  ... Sorry but it's true !!!!! rsrsrs
    FredSantos
  • Don't be so hard on yourself.  You are doing very well.  It's a journey and you are just starting out.  Before long you will be pleased with the results you achieve.  Please try to be patient and go slowly.  It's hard, but it always pays off.
    Summer[Deleted User]
  • edited February 2016
    I'm wondering if my biggest mistake was do not sketch the background.

  • edited February 2016
    Hi David. Your comment is a strong incentive.  Thank you very much! You are very funny.
  • nadanada -
    edited February 2016
    Another question. There are too many steps on my palatte?


    I had to do this for art school and some teachers still demand it - and I do think it's great practice... however, I'm one of those people that have all the colours out on the palette - tend to just mix the colours I'm using in the area on the spot - I just don't have time and I think I waste lot of paint when I premix. 

    some people have big blur of colours so they can pick from the gradation. 

    I love looking at different people's palette and how they go about.... everyone's so different!!! 

    Anyways, looking great!!!!! 

    SummerFredSantos
  • Nine years painting. So small and rich of details. Impressive. 10.000 hours! @davidwwilson how long you generally spend in a paint? David thank you for the comment.
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