Supply list is here

Mark_Carder

David and I finally put up the supply list, find it here (there is also a link on the home page):
drawmixpaint.com/supplylist

Find recipes for Slow-Dry Medium and more. I will be updating the supply list as needed, so check it again for updates every so often.

tjs

One of your new members just posted a bunch of links for UK members.
http://forum.drawmixpaint.com/discussion/268/uk-supplies#latest

Vangie

@Mark
I've just noted that the SDM for Titanium White has changed from 5 parts stand oil or linseed stand oil, to 1 part.
Questions:
- With this new recipe, am I right to assume that we no longer need to add about 4 teaspoons of linseed oil per 40ml BEFORE mixing the TW SDM? just double-checking.
- I have already mixed extra linseed oil + the normal SDM (ie for all colours except TW) for my TW... is this still okay to use? If not, is there anyway that I can adjust this to the new recipe?

mrking

Anyone have a good source for large bottles of clove oil? Right now all I can find locally is 10ml bottles for $10. A little too pricey if you ask me.

sue_deutscher

I just got a quarter ounce in Denver for $13. Yes it's pricey but I'm thinking you only use a little to make a lot of medium and it should probably last a long time. Still waiting on my other supplies to make medium so I don't know for sure.

Mark_Carder

Vangie said:

@Mark
I've just noted that the SDM for Titanium White has changed from 5 parts stand oil or linseed stand oil, to 1 part.
Questions:
- With this new recipe, am I right to assume that we no longer need to add about 4 teaspoons of linseed oil per 40ml BEFORE mixing the TW SDM? just double-checking.
- I have already mixed extra linseed oil + the normal SDM (ie for all colours except TW) for my TW... is this still okay to use? If not, is there anyway that I can adjust this to the new recipe?

You can do it the old way, or the new way described exactly here:


Either is fine, the new way (as descibed on the drawmixpaint.com/supplylist and in the video above) is a purist way, it makes for a slightly stronger paint film. If you only have old recipe Delq, then that is fine.

dencal

mrking said:

Anyone have a good source for large bottles of clove oil? Right now all I can find locally is 10ml bottles for $10. A little too pricey if you ask me.

iHerb.com ships 120mls of Now Foods pure clove oil for $12.

Order over $80 (eg walnut oil) and you get free shipping.

Denis

sue_deutscher

Denis, when I click Now Foods it goes to a list that goes to different web sites. Is it supposed to do that?

dencal

Sue

Now Foods is the wholesaler iHerb is the Retailer.

Use this link to take you right to the spot http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Essential-Oils-Clove-4-fl-oz-118-ml/902

Denis

sue_deutscher

great! thank you!

CharleyBoy

I found the NOW brand oil of cloves for less money at another site. It's always good to have other sources to compare.
http://www.probioticsmart.com/life/now-foods-clove-oil.html

LizONeal

Thanks Sue, I was trying to figure out where to get larger amounts of clove oil than the art supply places have.

mavis_swt

This is sooooo cool! artist are like scientist~ Fancinating

sue_deutscher

I love it... like in the 17th century, working as an apprentice and learning the formulas.

greendl

I want to mix some SDM, but looking at the list and when totaling the total ounces, I don't have a container large enough to make that big of a batch. There is over 64 oz in that mix, so not sure what type of container is large enough to mix this SDM in, and do I keep it stored in the same one. Glass, plastic, other type container?

[Deleted User]

greendl said:

I want to mix some SDM, but looking at the list and when totaling the total ounces, I don't have a container large enough to make that big of a batch. There is over 64 oz in that mix, so not sure what type of container is large enough to mix this SDM in, and do I keep it stored in the same one. Glass, plastic, other type container?

They're just "parts". So if the smallest part being 1oz makes for a batch that's too large for you, halve all the amounts so that the smallest part is 0.5oz. Or get a bigger container!

greendl

I read on one of the post that it if I'm adding SDM to 37ml tube, i would need approximately 20ml of SDM. seems like alot. I' convert to ML today and see what I come up with for 4 tubes. thanks for info. .5oz ty

marieb

Mix much smaller amounts to begin with ..enough for one painting ...a quarter tube !

greendl

yes, -reducing to 1 part = .8 oz thanks, will start with that. Will see then if 6.6 oz of SDM is enough for the 4 colors. Same ratio for the white SDM. Thanks much

chas

I know this may sound strange but I have always been taught to stain the canvas the color that is dominate in the painting or to stain it with acrylic paint. Marks way sounds so much easier and clears up the decision.

dencal

Chas

Using opaque paints in the 'alla prima' technique means the toning of the canvas is there to help your eye see the correct relationship of values as you apply them. The tone color is indeed important for watercolor or glazed acrylics and glazed oils. For Mark's method a mid value brown does the trick.

Try placing a value string of off whites on a brightly lit untoned canvas and you will get the picture. The brightness and whiteness shifts your perception and your choices will all be too bright. When the dark background is finally in place the result will be a high key, chalky painting.

Denis

kuphoff

For anyone who has searched for the elusive

The Derwent Pastel Pencil No. 57F (Brown Ochre Light)

I found it here:

http://www.reuels.com/reuels/Derwent_Pastel_Pencils.html

Please note there is a $10.00 minimum purchase and shipping isn't cheap.

Happy painting!

Karla

mavis_swt

Hey.. I was at the art store today looking at the Winsor&Newton artists' oil paint Mark recommended... There's different series is there any particular series to look for? Or just buy the colours accordingly?

And what's the difference between Artists' oil and Winton oil colour.. The price jump is almost double.. Artists' is more pricey. I know the SDM is tested on the Artists' grade but is it possible to apply on the cheaper paints?

dencal

Mavis

Winton is the W&N Student range designed to be less expensive by using more fillers and less pigment or cheaper substitute pigments.

I have not tried Winton but I suggest the results will be different from what Mark demonstrates. Why don't you test drive one or two tubes and let us know what you think.


See p14 http://www.winsornewton.com/assets/ocb_english.pdf

Denis

mavis_swt

Thanks @dencal that's helpful info~

gfish

I had some winton from a number of years ago and when painting with thick paint it works but not so well with Mark's method of thinning the paint with his medium. Probably due to less pigment.

questmiller

Does anyone know if there is a difference between refined linseed oil and boiled linseed oil?

dencal

questmiller

Extract from Wikipedia:

Boiled linseed oil
Boiled linseed oil is used as a paint binder or as a wood finish on its own. Heating the oil causes it to polymerise and oxidise, making it thicker and shortening its drying time. Today, most products labelled as "boiled linseed oil" are a combination of raw linseed oil, petroleum-based solvent, and metallic dryers (catalysts to accelerate drying). The heating of the oil and its polymerisation as well as forming Diels-Alder products and the use of metallic dryers make boiled linseed oil inedible. Some products contain only heat-treated linseed oil, without exposure to oxygen. Heat-treated linseed oil is thicker and dries very slowly. This grade of linseed oil is usually labelled as "polymerized" or "stand" oil, though some types may still be labelled as "boiled".

Refined linseed oil refers to treatment with alkalies to reduce acidity and lighten color.

Denis

questmiller

Thank you Denis. I suppose I should have posed my question as: can I use boiled linseed oil in the slow dry mixture instead of refined linseed oil.

dencal

questmiller

In that case I will pose my answer as 'Yes".

Denis

questmiller

:-\" thanks!

richvinzant

'Driers are oil soluble metal salts of organic acids. When these driers are dissolved in aliphatic or aromatic hydrocarbons, they are known as siccatives. When driers are added to drying oils, they are known as Boiled Oils. In order to increase the viscosity of the Boiled Oil, air is sometimes "blown" through the oil at 60-100 degrees Centigrade'....'Coloured metal siccatives can also contribute to discoloration and/or yellowing.'
The full article can be read here and the chemistry is quite an interesting read http://www.sydneywoodturners.com.au/site/articles/finishing/oils.html

richvinzant

The important bit of the article is that the additives can cause yellowing. I've been back to houses after justna few months where the apprentices have used to much cobalt drier "Japan dryer" and the bright white now looks like an old smokers teeth.

Zooreka_Art

Hmmm, just picked up on staining the Canvas point raised... to my mind Mark's method and color choice is perfect... for the setup he is using! Generally I stain the backgrounds between a 4 and 6 value with the COMPLIMENTARY colour to that most dominant in the image I am going to be painting... I believe this has been the preferred way of doing things for a few Centuries now but I will add that this is normally used where scumbling is involved. Marks Method on the other hand is a Glazing Method and where one is going to be completely covering the Canvas and since none of the layers are going to be particularly transparent a rock solid neutral background, even neutral grey, would be fit for purpose and perfectly balanced to the studio setup... Not sure I'd stain the canvas with the dominant colour - this suggests you are going to be leaving sections blank and therefore you will have sections of the canvas much thicker with paint than others,,, Go with complimentary and just let little areas "Peek through" here and there... lends contrast and interest to the image.... just my 2CW

Mark_Carder

No, do not use boiled linseed oil in place of refined linseed oil. It will increase the drying rate significantly!

ZIM

Does anybody have a source for WN monarch round brush 00? Having trouble finding due to out of stock, Tried WN website, Blick, Jerrys Italian art store, Thanks!

Castillo

@ZIM‌ http://www.amazon.com/MONARCH-Brush-ROUND-NO-00/dp/B000YQI48A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405030591&sr=8-1&keywords=monarch+brush+00

ZIM

Thanks, Castillo!

Laura

I bought 4 of them from MerriArtist.com. They are located in Oregon, USA

Laura

Kupoff, the pastel pencil can be ordered through the fineartstore.com. Google it. Located in Rochester, NY.

Thiago.nunesousa

I do not find venice turpentine here in Brazil. =((

bluenose

Hi Everyone,
I am having a real difficult time sourcing 5000K bulbs, as well as 9 or 20 w bulbs. I have tried all lighting,hardware and building supply stores within a 400 km radius to no avail. As well as having ordered from multiple sites however, once they arrive and despite the online description stating 5000K, they're not as described. Is anyone familiar with a reliable source to order these through ? Thank You .....Karen

Benjamin

topbulb.com in chicago has good selection and prices.

bluenose

@Benjamin - Thank you !

rstall

noticed that the winsor newton winsor blue green shade and cadmium red deep aren't on the supply list anymore, but I'm assuming we still need these "power colors" occasionally!?

rstall

my bad...it is listed on the alternative paint recommendations still

[Deleted User]

@rstall You can use those colors to boost Geneva paint if you ever need to. We will also be coming out with some Geneva "power colors" in the not-too-distant future.

linda1

Hi there, anyone in South Africa that managed to get hold of the supplies for the medium? I am battling to get the Venice Turps

would be grateful if I can get a supplier, even asked at the local farmer shops but they look at me very funny

thanks again

gmello

Hi all, I know someone may have questioned/answered this already, but my question is about VENICE TURPENTINE...Is there a substitute for it that I can use in Mark's formula? otherwise, what kind/brand is proper to use that will not compromise a painting?

1mORETYNES

Hi there one and all . Question / besides Ganiva Paints , and colour checker , what can I buy in , or have shipped to Canada ? I'm thinking about Brush Dip , slow dry medium , and any other supplies that DMP does not ship to Canada . Thank you for your time , and attention. Bubba T.

Forgiveness

I make my own brush dip and slow dry medium as recommended by Mark C., just purchase the ingredients, follow instructions for mixing and storage.