Photos for show submissions?

GTO

I have a general question for all.  

When you send digital photos to shows do you include the frame in the image or just the image of the painting without the frame.
in looking to enter a couple shoes but they don’t specify this.

oilpainter1950

All the ones I have entered just want the image. No frame.

GTO

thanks @oilpainter1950

tassieguy

In my experience they just want the image without the frame.

gar3thjon3s

Yeah just image and no frame in my experience, though sometimes they will ask for both.

GTO

Thanks @gar3thjon3s that’s two for no frames.  It does make it easier to photograph without the frame.

BOB73

if you send them a picture with it framed you should charge more. Kidding. Make sure you don't give away your copyrights not kidding.

GTO

@BOB73. Has the copyright thing happened to yo or someone you know?

BOB73

All I know is just from reading the rules from several shows. It's customary for them to require a waiver or permission from you to show and use your art for promotional purposes which is ok you still own the work and rights but some others say that by you submitting the work it becomes their property so they can sell your image as prints and retain all earnings. If it is an online gig you still have the painting and can sell it, maybe. but some shows demand exclusivity and you can't show your work anywhere else for a specified time. The bottom line is know the rules.

GTO

Good to know. Thanks @BOB73